Hi everybody,

The topic of cheating has been mentioned (twice, I think). I admit that in my youth I found it all too easy to "accidentally" read the wrong paragraph in a Fighting Fantasy book, and since the internet came along I have always thought that HTML was perfectly suited to implement them.

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I could make it much harder to cheat online, but ultimately you would always be able to cheat by referring back to the original text.

Etienne Sat Aug 28 21:42:48 2004	It works on all. E.
	It needs to be a capital S to make the spoiler work properly, and you must have opening and closing brackets on both of the 'tags'.

Etienne
Sun Aug 29 13:54:51 2004

Yeah, I know. I mistyped and by the time I clicked submit, it was too late.

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Elric Fri Sep 3 16:19:22 2004	Fantastic I have been searching for a ff game online and this is great well done with ffprojest. Is it possible to download the program and play it off line?
	Sorry, no it isn't.

Elric Mon Sep 6 14:39:27 2004	Ok thanks anyway i would be interested if anyone knows of a system that is. Sometimes it is more fun playing these and developing your imagination than playing games with full realism and graphics.
	These may be of interest: http://www.projectaon.org http://www.robinjohnson.f9.co.uk/adventure/hamlet.html

Etienne
Tue Sep 7 15:51:50 2004

Hi Elric,

I've checked all over the net and I don't think there is such a thing as a downloadable program.

Good luck though,

Etienne

Elric
Wed Sep 8 16:14:57 2004

Has anybody thought of offering a rpg by email along the same old play-by-mail systems. If not would anybody be interested in taking part in one.

stephen
Tue Sep 14 14:56:29 2004

i would but dont no what it is

J Warner
Wed Sep 15 05:39:23 2004

I have about 40 FF books, lots of different editions. I used to go to Albert Gaits in the Freshney Place shopping centre, in Grimsby, every saturday afternoon, and buy one. I've bought others from second ahnd book shops and market stalls. I haven't even looked at one in ages, and had totally forgotten about them until recently. My favourite one is the one where you were taking part in a contest where you had to get through this dungeon/maze thing. I also liked the one with the lizard king guy on the front. I always used to cheat at them. I would, as a habit, flick forward to see what page to turn to, making them, in effect, narratively fragmented novels.

Elric
Wed Sep 15 08:15:22 2004

Sorry there was no explanation. Play-by-mail was an old way of playing roleplaying games such as AFF and D & D but without all being together at the sametime the Games master would send out information to the players by post and they would post back there decisions, moves and ideas it was quite a long drawn out process that was made extinct by on-line gaming. I feel that the same could be done using the detailed simplicity of Advanced Fighting Fantasy rules, via email. I havent got a adventure set yet but i thought i would test the water.

yes4me
Wed Sep 15 10:22:26 2004

That was just awesome. I used to read that kind of book in France. I had two favorite ones, but I don't remember the names anymore.

The first series was +9 books. You are a samourai and you would fight monsters. I don't recall but I think they were no spells. In the first book your goal was to fight some god or demon or someone really powerfull. On the cover of the first book, you would see what your target is... some monster looking at the reader.

The second series was 4 books and was my favorite of all of them. I think it was called "sorcellery" or something. You are a mage and you had to remember EVERY single spells in order to succeed. Not only that, but you needed some ingredient to cast your spells. And each time you cast a spell you lose some life. Your goal was to reach a citadel and kill a powerfull magician.
First you had pass some small forests haunted by evil elves and have to find a way to get in some castle.
The second book is about the castle. Somehow nobody can take the NORTH door, but a few citizen knows the part of the code to pass the door. You need to find out who they are and ask them. Then you would be able to pass. One of the last "guy" you needed to ask was some kind of divinity. You had to kiss him in the correct order and finish by the mouth. If you missed it, he will shoot you a poison dart in your mouth and you will die.
In the 3rd book, you had to catch 7 snakes before they reach the citadel and alert your coming to your nemesis.
And in the 4th book, you had to get in the citadel with the help of someone (forgot), and figure out a way to get to the bad guy and kill him. The bad guy was deguised as someone else, but anyhow... once you kill him, it is over.
This serie was too hard so I had to cheat quite a few times.

Oh and there is also this series which is not as good but was quite fun where you are a ninja... and you could learn stuff like agility that allow you to jump around, or throw of poison dart. In the first book, you had to kill 3 bad guys. You HAD to start to kill the first guy by dropping poison in his mouth while he sleeps, and then kill someone else, and the third guy was a mage. Later on during the serie, you become a powerfull king and end up fighting a war. This serie was very hard, and cheating was almost required if you wanted to win.

Oh the old times :)

Thomas
PS: If you want to reach me for more info, my email is thomas_n1@sbcglobal.net.

yes4me Wed Sep 15 10:24:20 2004	Suggestions: - It would be nice if you could scan the pictures. They were really good and they give a better ambience. - It would be even better if the file were zip or rar file , rather than EXE. I dunno a lot of people who would trust EXE files... could be a trojan you know... but I know there is none but still... Just my two cents.
	I don't have a scanner. The idea was to make the files on the Downloads page self-extracting so you didn't need to have WinZip. But I think you're right, if I ever get round to it I might post uncompressed versions.

yes4me Wed Sep 15 10:28:19 2004	God I have so many suggestions... Could you order the download by NAME instead? You could put there two links: One for download and one for playing online... which I don't recommand if you are short in space.
	All suggestions are welcome. I don't guarantee to act on any though.

Matt Wed Sep 15 14:40:20 2004	Great site - but it would be good to see some of the 'classics' like Warlock, Citadel of Chaos, FOrest of Doom, The Crypt etc.
	Cheers. This would only happen if the writers gave permission and provided me with electronic copies, and as they are still attempting to sell them I don't think that this is likely. Not that I've asked admittedly. I'm more interested in the amateur gamebooks than the originals anyway.

yes4me
Wed Sep 15 19:23:33 2004

Thanks to Elric for the link above http://www.projectaon.org.

The first serie where I was talking about you being a samourai is called Kai... and yes, it can be downloaded at that link.

Nagor
Wed Sep 15 19:24:47 2004

I haven't played an FF book in years! This is fantastic!
Congrats on writing such an exemplary piece of software.

I won't rest until I've conquered all these online versions of novels I haven't read/played since I was a kid.

Here's to many sleepless nights, trying to decide "West, or east? West or east?!"

yes4me Thu Sep 16 18:40:41 2004	Typo: House Of Horror (195) had ==> hand
	Are you sure? I had a look and it seems OK.

Matt Sat Sep 18 09:26:35 2004	These aren't online versions of the old books. They are new adventures that the guy has come up with, some appear to be loosely based on certain books...
	Well, yes. As it says on the front page. Also, I only made the website, the books were written by eight different authors.

Matt
Tue Sep 21 04:51:08 2004

Fair enough. But I find these amateur ones you have posted fiendishly difficult.

I am sure the originals were easier!!!

To a large extent that is down to the online format, in the original text you tend to get told what object you would have needed in certain situations. It's also a little harder to cheat. Occasionally the format makes a given puzzle slightly easier, but far more often it has the opposite effect. But yes, sometimes the original is exceptionally difficult, for example Hellfire.

If you prefer the easier games, I would recommend starting with The Trial Of Allibor's Tomb, Lair Of The Troglodytes (which is harder but very short), or maybe Outsider (which apart from an early difficult section is much less arbitrary than any of the others).

Phil Sadler
Fri Oct 22 21:52:36 2004

You know what, I'm still not sure that 'hiding' options in these online books is a very good idea. I'm pretty sure it just makes the adventures too difficult.

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